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Retro
Ahonui
USA
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 Posted - 12/01/2010 : 7:28:09 PM
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Best Hawaiian Music Album - Vocal or Instrumental.
1. HUANA KE ALOHA
Tia Carrere
[Daniel Ho Creations]
2. AMY HANAIALI'I AND SLACK KEY MASTERS OF HAWAII
Amy Hanaiali‘i And Slack Key Masters Of Hawaii
[Peterson Productions]
3. POLANI
Daniel Ho
[Daniel Ho Creations]
4. THE LEGEND
Ledward Kaapana
[Rhythm & Roots Records]
5. MAUI ON MY MIND - HAWAIIAN SLACK KEY GUITAR
Jeff Peterson
[Peterson Productions]
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2010 : 05:34:44 AM
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My reaction to seeing this list went this way.
UNREAL!!!
I feel upset.
Sigh.
When it comes to passing judgment on Hawaiian Music, how about a jury of their peers? Would that be too much to ask for.
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"The music of the Hawaiians, the most fascinating in the world, is still in my ears and
haunts me sleeping and waking."
Mark Twain |
Edited by - markwitz on 12/16/2010 10:01:40 AM |
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Pupule
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2010 : 06:03:20 AM
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How about Bruno Mars?  Just in case people would like to reference the eligible submissions from which the nominees were drawn: 2010 Grammy nominees for Hawaiian Music |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2010 : 07:32:55 AM
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When it comes to passing judgment on Hawaiian Music, how about a jury of their peers? Would that be too much to ask for.
What would a jury of their peers be? Would the Na Hoku Hanohano awards which is based on a Hawaiian Music Association peer group qualify? If not then. who would?
So, the Jeff Peterson recording "Maui on My Mind" nominated this year and which also recently won the Ha Hoku Hanohano award for Slack Key album of the year, does not qualify and makes you sick? And Ledward Ka'apana makes you sick too??
I would rather say congratulations to Andy's friend Darin in having a recording of his nominated for a Grammy, and also congrats to Ledward who truly deserves a Grammy of his own.
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Mahope Kākou...
...El Lorenzo de Ondas Sonoras |
Edited by - Lawrence on 12/02/2010 08:14:02 AM |
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chunky monkey
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2010 : 08:13:02 AM
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Allen M Cary
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2010 : 09:15:40 AM
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Oh Goody, both Tia and Daniel. Dis gonna get da can o worms wriggling.
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
841 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2010 : 09:55:25 AM
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Originally posted by Lawrence
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When it comes to passing judgment on Hawaiian Music, how about a jury of their peers? Would that be too much to ask for.
What would a jury of their peers be? Would the Na Hoku Hanohano awards which is based on a Hawaiian Music Association peer group qualify? If not then. who would?
So, the Jeff Peterson recording "Maui on My Mind" nominated this year and which also recently won the Ha Hoku Hanohano award for Slack Key album of the year, does not qualify and makes you sick? And Ledward Ka'apana makes you sick too??
I would rather say congratulations to Andy's friend Darin in having a recording of his nominated for a Grammy, and also congrats to Ledward who truly deserves a Grammy of his own.
I basically don't have a problem with the way the Na Hoku's are judged, (except for some exclusionary rules that keep some Hawaiian Music from being eligible in certain categories). But the Na Hoku's are not seen in the same light as the Grammy Awards. The Grammys are international, but that doesn't mean that the Hawaiian Music Category shouldn't be judged by people that know and CARE about Hawaiian Music. I would hope that the same would be true for all the individual categories in the Grammys. People that know and care about Jazz should be involved in deciding the winner in that category also.
As for the rest of your comment. I didn't say which nominees made me upset.....I have all of these CDs and I've listened to them all. Some are truly worthy of being nominated and some are not. There are albums on this list that make me wonder how they ever got there, as opposed to some others that could have been chosen that are better representatives of the genre.
If I had to take 5 albums to the Man In The Moon and say that for 2010 these 5 albums are the best representatives of Hawaiian Music, it wouldn't be these 5. The DISPARITY of what is worthy on this list and what is not, is just too great to ignore. |
"The music of the Hawaiians, the most fascinating in the world, is still in my ears and
haunts me sleeping and waking."
Mark Twain |
Edited by - markwitz on 12/16/2010 10:03:17 AM |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2010 : 12:33:35 PM
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If I had to take 5 albums to the Man In The Moon and say that for 2010 these 5 albums are the best representatives of Hawaiian Music, it wouldn't be these 5. The DISPARITY of what is worthy on this list and what is not, is just too great to ignore.
Of course, neither you nor I would qualify to be on that jury of peers - correct?
But, nevertheless, which 5 out of the 32 possible candidates would you choose? The Grammy voters had to choose from among these 32 so anything outside that universe was not allowed.
I am not surprised at at the outcome, and I am indeed pleased that Jeff Peterson managed to place two candidates. I am a little dissapointed that Keola and Raiatea did not get nominated. On the other hand, I am very pleased that Lady Gaga did not get nominated for Record of the Year or Song of the Year, although she did get Album of the Year, gosh darn it!! 
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Mahope Kākou...
...El Lorenzo de Ondas Sonoras |
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RWD
`Olu`olu
USA
850 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2010 : 1:09:46 PM
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Sorry for going off topic but,
Has ANYONE noticed that Lady Gaga is just doing what Madonna did years ago?? She has nothing unique or special. just a Madonna impersonator the way I see it. |
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dagan
Aloha
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2010 : 2:57:50 PM
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The question that always comes to my mind whenever we go through all this each year is - have you actually HEARD all of these nominees? Honestly?
I have, and I believe Norman when he says he has. But in the opinion of this particular Grammy voter, there's nothing to be ashamed of in having these discs "represent" the range of Hawaiian music released in the past year. (Are these the five I voted for in the preliminary round? Do I wish others had gotten the nod in their stead? I won't say.)
But too many people dis these nominees simply because they don't like something about one or more of the artists involved, not based on the actual musical merits of the nominated releases. Sorry to disappoint you, but that's not how the Grammys are supposed to work.
And quite a few of us who get to pass judgment ARE "people that know and CARE about Hawaiian Music."
So - as always - I send hearty congratulations to all the creative individuals involved in the albums that received nominations (which includes a number of 'patch members), and I am again pleased to see that the Hawaiian music world is strong and vital enough to be celebrated by the recording industry for yet another year. |
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Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2010 : 3:07:57 PM
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I was really hoping Lorna Lim and Rev. Dennis would get nominated.
In a manner of speaking, Uncle DID get a "nomination" of sorts - as part of the album with Amy.
Anyone else find it intriguing that this is the first year that the compilation album from the Maui slack key concerts did not make it onto the nominees list? (Since they have been issued, that is - there wasn't one yet the first year of a Grammy Award for Hawaiian Music Album.)
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
841 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2010 : 6:42:27 PM
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Originally posted by Lawrence
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But, nevertheless, which 5 out of the 32 possible candidates would you choose? The Grammy voters had to choose from among these 32 so anything outside that universe was not allowed.
These are the eligible submissions that appear on the Preliminary Ballot
1. Alan Akaka, Simply Steel: Songs of Old Hawai‘i
2. Baba Alimoot, Baba Alimoot
3. Anand, Hoku Hawaii–The Slack Key Guitar
4. ‘Anelaikalani, E Mau No
5. Keola Beamer & Raiatea Helm, Keola Beamer & Raiatea
6. Tia Carrere, Huana Ke Aloha
7. Chucky Boy Chock, The Music of Chucky Boy Chock Vol. 1
8. O’Brien Eselu, Aloha E Aloha E Aloha E
9. Amy Hanaiali‘i and Slack Key Masters of Hawaii, Amy Hanaiali‘i and Slack Key Masters of Hawaii
10. CJ Helekahi, Ka Mahina
11. Kawaikapuokalani Hewett, Malama
12. Daniel Ho, Polani
13. ‘Ike Pono, Deep Waters
14. Ledward Kaapana, The Legend
15. Kainani Kahaunaele, Ohai Ula
16. David Kahiliaulani Kuhia Ka‘io, Aloha Na ‘Ohana A‘o Hawai‘i
17. Rev. Dennis Kamakahi, Greatest Hits Vol. 1
18. Kapala, Imprint
19. Kulia i ka Punawai, Lili‘uokalani (Legacy Hula Vol. 3)
20. Kupaoa, English Rose
21. Patrick Landeza, Ku‘u Honua Mele
22. Lorna Lim, Polinahe
23. Makalei, Pehea Ka Lawai‘a
24. Doug & Sandy McMaster, Hanalei Tradition II: Live at Hale Halawai ‘Ohana o Hanalei
25. Na Palapalai, Nanea
26. Herb Ohta, Jr., ‘Ukulele Nahenahe
27. Jeff Peterson, Maui on My Mind
28. Greg Sardinha, Alan Akaka & Casey Olsen, Hawaiian Steel Vol. 6
29. Slack Key Posse, Slack Key Posse
30. Various Artists, An ‘Ukulele Christmas
31. Various Artists, Masters of Hawaiian Slack Key Guitar Vol. 3
32. Waipuna, Mana‘o Pili
Of the 32 on this list I have in my collection or have the ability to listen to them at our radio station, all but 7.
For those 7, I went on line and listened to track samples.
Here is my list of 5.
9. Amy Hanaiali‘i and Slack Key Masters of Hawaii, Amy Hanaiali‘i and Slack Key Masters of Hawaii
14. Ledward Kaapana, The Legend
17. Rev. Dennis Kamakahi, Greatest Hits Vol. 1
22. Lorna Lim, Polinahe
25. Na Palapalai, Nanea
AND THE HAWAIIAN GRAMMY WINNER IS........
Depends on the mood I'm in.
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
841 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2010 : 6:56:35 PM
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Originally posted by Retro
there's nothing to be ashamed of in having these discs "represent" the range of Hawaiian music released in the past year.
Greg, I have to disagree with you on this point. I don't think the Grammy Nominees should represent the "range" of Hawaiian Music. They should represent the BEST of Hawaiian Music.
OK.... the reason that I don't think that the Daniel Ho album or the Tia Carrere album are not worthy is because I just don't like them. Based on their past releases I thought they were not their best work to date. And I do think that they are there simply because of past name recognition. Laziness on the part of the judges not doing their homework.
I wonder how many of the judges actually listened to all 32 preliminary nominees. |
"The music of the Hawaiians, the most fascinating in the world, is still in my ears and
haunts me sleeping and waking."
Mark Twain |
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Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2010 : 7:51:00 PM
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Originally posted by markwitz
And I do think that they are there simply because of past name recognition. Laziness on the part of the judges not doing their homework.
I wonder how many of the judges actually listened to all 32 preliminary nominees.
Not sure I understand you here, Norman. The "judges" of whom you speak - do you mean the thousands of Academy voters who chose from the 32?
The 32 albums on the eligibility list (not "nominees") are ones submitted by the artists and/or record companies. If the album fits certain content qualifications, it becomes eligible. There are no qualitative judgments made at that point of the process.
"Judgment" comes into play when Academy members choose five preferred selections from the eligibility list. As for myself, I listened to selections from all but five of the discs, mostly through the year as they were released. I would love to be able to say I listened to every track from every album, but since I only have about a month to listen to tracks from hundreds of albums and vote in dozens of categories, that's unrealistic, and I have to be selective.
If you view that as "laziness," I doubt I can change your impression. |
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
841 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2010 : 03:34:14 AM
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Originally posted by Retro
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Originally posted by markwitz
And I do think that they are there simply because of past name recognition. Laziness on the part of the judges not doing their homework.
I wonder how many of the judges actually listened to all 32 preliminary nominees.
Not sure I understand you here, Norman. The "judges" of whom you speak - do you mean the thousands of Academy voters who chose from the 32?
The 32 albums on the eligibility list (not "nominees") are ones submitted by the artists and/or record companies. If the album fits certain content qualifications, it becomes eligible. There are no qualitative judgments made at that point of the process.
"Judgment" comes into play when Academy members choose five preferred selections from the eligibility list. As for myself, I listened to selections from all but five of the discs, mostly through the year as they were released. I would love to be able to say I listened to every track from every album, but since I only have about a month to listen to tracks from hundreds of albums and vote in dozens of categories, that's unrealistic, and I have to be selective.
If you view that as "laziness," I doubt I can change your impression.
Excuse my poor choice of words. Since I'm not part of the Grammy voting, I'm lacking in the terminologies and mechanics of the process. All that aside. I stick with my former statements that speaks to the fact that I doubt that most of the thousands that you refer to, took the time to listen to the 32 eligible submissions with the same love and concern that you have for Hawaiian Music. I'm sure that you are intimate enough with Hawaiian Music to be able to cast a meaningful vote. I just kinda doubt that the vast majority of the rest that voted are. So it just saddens me to see how poorly served Hawaiian Music is by the whole process. |
"The music of the Hawaiians, the most fascinating in the world, is still in my ears and
haunts me sleeping and waking."
Mark Twain |
Edited by - markwitz on 12/03/2010 03:35:36 AM |
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Hawaiian Grammy nominees announced
